RE: 80/75 mtr contact

Well, someone heard me. J

 

I’m only technically a new ham. I’ve been a SWL for 40
years so I know most of the guys maybe better than they know each other! I’m
going to take some getting used to, and I suspect that some hams, like Chad and
Sammy, may resist talking to me. I wouldn’t blame them in one sense, because
talking to me does require keeping your brain running. You can’t turn
your brain off and let your mouth run on auto-pilot as those guys sometimes
like to.
J Talking
to me on-air will probably be very much like in person. You’ll need to
remember what has been said for a minute or two because my response might take
that long. Usually not, but it’s possible. The guys on 3870, 3922, and 3930
all operate in an informal rag-chew mode so the conversation should continue as
I type. I’ll pipe up like everyone else when I have something to say. Hopefully,
my comment will have enough context to it for people to relate it to what was
said. I left home long before technology enabled me to talk so even my
70-year-old mother has had to learn to remember the conversation for a minute
or two. If my bosses at Shell could adapt to that, I think even the boys on 3870
can.
J

 

Of course, things will get much easier when I have a decent
signal. I know, I know. Murray and a few others are working on that. Once I  do,
the next trick is to get with KK5DR, Matt, or someone else with a digital
recorder in their radio so I can actually hear what I sound like. This part gets
a bit complex, but I do have a certain degree of adjustability in Xpress-it.
However, the 706 has no monitor so I have no clue what I sound like.

 

I’m 51, and am in west Houston, near Highway 6—if you
know where that is.

 

Feel free to forward this email to whoever, especially the 3870
bunch.

 

From: Kevin Crauswell
[mailto:gezus306@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:15 PM
To: royall@conchbbs.com
Subject: 80/75 mtr contact

 

Nice to meet you Scott.

 As you can tell from my call I am a Alaskan

transplant to Texas.

Been a HAM since 1982, when I first got my ticket

living in Anchorage. Had a great Elmer who taught me well.

 I still go by the  "ol book or should say by
the old rules and

conduct myself in proper fashion when operating on the
bands.

 

I have a back yard full of antennas, most of which are
home-brewed.

 You can get the info from my call in QRZ log on.

 

I don’t know if you have been listening for awhile to us on
3.870.

 There are a lot of gents who know and have talked to
each other for some

time on that freq. I’m rather knew there myself and I’m just
getting to know

 each call sign. I try and get on 3.870 each night but
I have a local

noise that creeps up on me that ranges around 20+ db and I

just can’t hear a thing.   Tonight was fun for me

 because the noise was down for a while and I got to
talk a bit.

 

Anyway, I wanted to say hello and welcome you to the group.

 I do hope we hear you again. Hopefully the conditions
will improve.

If you can let me know on the proper procedure for

 the delay in transmit so we can communicate better
next time.

 73 for
now           cw rules
!              
Kevin C.

 

P.S. Age here is 52

 


Pinpoint
customers
who are looking for what you sell.

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RE: FW: At-500

That’s basically my approach, whatever works, functionally and financially.

I assume Bill is your "friend," and I saw his comment. That’s another thing
about hams, they are constantly swapping crap. If he does find a "cherry" in
a while, I could always sell/horse-trade what I have then.

—–Original Message—–
From: Murray Neece [mailto:radioranch@qth.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 4:30 PM
To: Scott Royall
Subject: Re: FW: At-500

Ok, if that will do it sounds good. Then you can get any auto tuner…
My friend that works on the Icom amps and tuners said, if we give
him time, he will find us one for 200-250 dollars but it could be a week
and it could be 2 months…Also of course, he can go thru it and make
sure its 100%… I dunno, Ill look at the thing you are looking at. I
dont care what you get as long as it doesn the job and you can afford
it…more later..Murray

Scott Royall wrote:
> Ah, you speak! And, I agree with you mostly. I’m not really a new ham in
the
> sense that I’ve been a SWL listening to hams for 40 years. That gives me
> some insight into their minds, and I’ve felt for several years that hams
pay
> way too much for what they get. An auto-tuner is nothing in terms of
> complexity compared to even a cell-phone. Yeah, other factors come into
> play, but not enough to justify the prices!
>
> I don’t see a LDG tuner that fits my needs and budget, but I do see the
> DTS-4 antenna switch. Push-buttons are a Good Thing, remotes are even
> better! More importantly, the DTS-4 would greatly simplify what I’d need a
> tuner to do to the point where a manual one would suffice. The AT-500 came
> up because I’m determined to stay away from things like band switches that
> only California’s governor could turn! Radio has such a barbaric past. 🙂
> But, I can twirl knobs with the best!
>
> I think I’ll order the DTS-4 and remote from HRO.
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Bill and Marcy Grassa [mailto:grassa@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:07 AM
> To: ‘Scott Royall’; radioranch@qth.com
> Cc: ‘Larry Burke’; ‘Mack Arp’
> Subject: RE: FW: At-500
>
> You are paying for the "Icom" label. Just get any smart tuner , it will
work
> JUST the same . This one does it all PLUS more… Once it is the automatic
> mode , you forget it is there.
>
> Plus the answer is CLEAR , if the one you are being offered has a problem
,
> STAY AWAY from it.
>
> If you must have an Icom AT-500 , wait , I will get you one a lot less , I
> sold one a few months ago that was cherry for $200
>
> http://www.ldgelectronics.com/products.php?cID=1&pID=41&v=1
>
> Bill
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Scott Royall [mailto:royall@conchbbs.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:59 PM
> To: radioranch@qth.com; ‘Bill and Marcy Grassa’
> Cc: Larry Burke; Mack Arp
> Subject: RE: FW: At-500
>
> I suppose I didn’t communicate my thoughts clearly. Why should an
individual
> expect to get the same price as a dealer who offers a 90-day guarantee?
No,
> that just doesn’t compute. Of course, since you’re a part-time dealer, you
> have to favor higher prices because you’re fond of eating too.
>
> Just remember, I still have to also pay for an amp so I’m under pressure
to
> not spend a cent I don’t have to. I’m not wed to getting an AT-500. I’m
not
> going to send anyone any money until Bill answers my question. Namely,
will
> an AT-500 properly switch between antennas even though I only have two?
> That’s sorta critical to my preference for the AT-500, and the manual is
as
> inscrutable as its Japanese authors! 🙂
>
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Murray Neece [mailto:radioranch@qth.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:16 PM
> To: Scott Royall
> Subject: Re: FW: At-500
>
> Well, the lets figure somethin else out, cause I m pretty sure thats what
it
> will take to get just becasue it has the feature you are after and many
more
> to boot…….Some old amps are bringin more than they listed for new as
> well but the inflation thing more than anything else…Ill put my thinking
> cap on and will go to the big boys, see what they might have for a more
> simple solution. Gonna have to go another way I think… CUL Murray
>
> Scott Royall wrote:
>> Actually, this guy is asking the same $425. As I recall, the AT-500
>> was around $600 new. Hams just are weird, and the recent influx of
>> no-coders
> has
>> aggravated things. What other hobby lets you ask 75% of new price on
>> stuff over a decade old? The really bizarre part is that people go
>> along with this. Would you pay 75% for a 10-year-old car?
>>
>> what worse are hams that demand "mint condition" used gear. How do you
> keep
>> stuff that’s legitimately being used in a "mint" state? That sort of
>> thinking just rewards "collectors" who speculate in ham gear.
>>
>> I’ll check into Burghardt. At least they have a warranty, but $425
>> might
> as
>> well be $4,250 to me. 🙂
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Murray Neece [mailto:radioranch@qth.com]
>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:28 PM
>> To: Scott Royall
>> Subject: Re: FW: At-500
>>
>> Looks like a straight ahead to me…Last one I sold brought $495. The
>> the other guy "is Burghardt amateur radio, they have one its $425…""
>> 25 more than this guy but it is Burghardt radio, and there fore the
>> extra 25 might be worth it…Up to you…I can call em and order it or
>> you can do it on the internet quite easily, just drop em a line…73
>> Murray…
>>
>> Scott Royall wrote:
>>> Any word from the other guy? This one’s a clown.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: G.T.
>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:48 AM
>>> To: Scott Royall
>>> Subject: At-500
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good Morning Scott: The tuner does work on all the bands. It comes
>>> with
>> the
>>> manual and both cables needed to operate it. One cable is the ACC
>>> cable
>> with
>>> plugs into the back of your Icom rig and the other is a double ended
> molex
>>> cable used on the IC-2KL amp for automatic tracking from band to
>>> band. If you think you can come up with the money somehow please let
>>> me know. I really hate to sell it for anything less. The AT-500
>>> tuners are getting
>> hard
>>> to find. Please let me know if your still interested. Thanks very much.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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RE: FW: At-500

Ah, you speak! And, I agree with you mostly. I’m not really a new ham in the
sense that I’ve been a SWL listening to hams for 40 years. That gives me
some insight into their minds, and I’ve felt for several years that hams pay
way too much for what they get. An auto-tuner is nothing in terms of
complexity compared to even a cell-phone. Yeah, other factors come into
play, but not enough to justify the prices!

I don’t see a LDG tuner that fits my needs and budget, but I do see the
DTS-4 antenna switch. Push-buttons are a Good Thing, remotes are even
better! More importantly, the DTS-4 would greatly simplify what I’d need a
tuner to do to the point where a manual one would suffice. The AT-500 came
up because I’m determined to stay away from things like band switches that
only California’s governor could turn! Radio has such a barbaric past. 🙂
But, I can twirl knobs with the best!

I think I’ll order the DTS-4 and remote from HRO.

—–Original Message—–
From: Bill and Marcy Grassa [mailto:grassa@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:07 AM
To: ‘Scott Royall’; radioranch@qth.com
Cc: ‘Larry Burke’; ‘Mack Arp’
Subject: RE: FW: At-500

You are paying for the "Icom" label. Just get any smart tuner , it will work
JUST the same . This one does it all PLUS more… Once it is the automatic
mode , you forget it is there.

Plus the answer is CLEAR , if the one you are being offered has a problem ,
STAY AWAY from it.

If you must have an Icom AT-500 , wait , I will get you one a lot less , I
sold one a few months ago that was cherry for $200

http://www.ldgelectronics.com/products.php?cID=1&pID=41&v=1

Bill

—–Original Message—–
From: Scott Royall [mailto:royall@conchbbs.com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:59 PM
To: radioranch@qth.com; ‘Bill and Marcy Grassa’
Cc: Larry Burke; Mack Arp
Subject: RE: FW: At-500

I suppose I didn’t communicate my thoughts clearly. Why should an individual
expect to get the same price as a dealer who offers a 90-day guarantee? No,
that just doesn’t compute. Of course, since you’re a part-time dealer, you
have to favor higher prices because you’re fond of eating too.

Just remember, I still have to also pay for an amp so I’m under pressure to
not spend a cent I don’t have to. I’m not wed to getting an AT-500. I’m not
going to send anyone any money until Bill answers my question. Namely, will
an AT-500 properly switch between antennas even though I only have two?
That’s sorta critical to my preference for the AT-500, and the manual is as
inscrutable as its Japanese authors! 🙂

—–Original Message—–
From: Murray Neece [mailto:radioranch@qth.com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:16 PM
To: Scott Royall
Subject: Re: FW: At-500

Well, the lets figure somethin else out, cause I m pretty sure thats what it
will take to get just becasue it has the feature you are after and many more
to boot…….Some old amps are bringin more than they listed for new as
well but the inflation thing more than anything else…Ill put my thinking
cap on and will go to the big boys, see what they might have for a more
simple solution. Gonna have to go another way I think… CUL Murray

Scott Royall wrote:
> Actually, this guy is asking the same $425. As I recall, the AT-500
> was around $600 new. Hams just are weird, and the recent influx of
> no-coders
has
> aggravated things. What other hobby lets you ask 75% of new price on
> stuff over a decade old? The really bizarre part is that people go
> along with this. Would you pay 75% for a 10-year-old car?
>
> what worse are hams that demand "mint condition" used gear. How do you
keep
> stuff that’s legitimately being used in a "mint" state? That sort of
> thinking just rewards "collectors" who speculate in ham gear.
>
> I’ll check into Burghardt. At least they have a warranty, but $425
> might
as
> well be $4,250 to me. 🙂
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Murray Neece [mailto:radioranch@qth.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:28 PM
> To: Scott Royall
> Subject: Re: FW: At-500
>
> Looks like a straight ahead to me…Last one I sold brought $495. The
> the other guy "is Burghardt amateur radio, they have one its $425…""
> 25 more than this guy but it is Burghardt radio, and there fore the
> extra 25 might be worth it…Up to you…I can call em and order it or
> you can do it on the internet quite easily, just drop em a line…73
> Murray…
>
> Scott Royall wrote:
>> Any word from the other guy? This one’s a clown.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: G.T.
>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:48 AM
>> To: Scott Royall
>> Subject: At-500
>>
>>
>>
>> Good Morning Scott: The tuner does work on all the bands. It comes
>> with
> the
>> manual and both cables needed to operate it. One cable is the ACC
>> cable
> with
>> plugs into the back of your Icom rig and the other is a double ended
molex
>> cable used on the IC-2KL amp for automatic tracking from band to
>> band. If you think you can come up with the money somehow please let
>> me know. I really hate to sell it for anything less. The AT-500
>> tuners are getting
> hard
>> to find. Please let me know if your still interested. Thanks very much.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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RE: FW: At-500

I suppose I didn’t communicate my thoughts clearly. Why should an individual
expect to get the same price as a dealer who offers a 90-day guarantee? No,
that just doesn’t compute. Of course, since you’re a part-time dealer, you
have to favor higher prices because you’re fond of eating too.

Just remember, I still have to also pay for an amp so I’m under pressure to
not spend a cent I don’t have to. I’m not wed to getting an AT-500. I’m not
going to send anyone any money until Bill answers my question. Namely, will
an AT-500 properly switch between antennas even though I only have two?
That’s sorta critical to my preference for the AT-500, and the manual is as
inscrutable as its Japanese authors! 🙂

—–Original Message—–
From: Murray Neece [mailto:radioranch@qth.com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:16 PM
To: Scott Royall
Subject: Re: FW: At-500

Well, the lets figure somethin else out, cause I m pretty sure thats
what it will take to get just becasue it has the feature you are after
and many more to boot…….Some old amps are bringin more than they
listed for new as well but the inflation thing more than anything
else…Ill put my thinking cap on and will go to the big boys, see what
they might have for a more simple solution. Gonna have to go another way
I think… CUL Murray

Scott Royall wrote:
> Actually, this guy is asking the same $425. As I recall, the AT-500 was
> around $600 new. Hams just are weird, and the recent influx of no-coders
has
> aggravated things. What other hobby lets you ask 75% of new price on stuff
> over a decade old? The really bizarre part is that people go along with
> this. Would you pay 75% for a 10-year-old car?
>
> what worse are hams that demand "mint condition" used gear. How do you
keep
> stuff that’s legitimately being used in a "mint" state? That sort of
> thinking just rewards "collectors" who speculate in ham gear.
>
> I’ll check into Burghardt. At least they have a warranty, but $425 might
as
> well be $4,250 to me. 🙂
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Murray Neece [mailto:radioranch@qth.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:28 PM
> To: Scott Royall
> Subject: Re: FW: At-500
>
> Looks like a straight ahead to me…Last one I sold brought $495. The
> the other guy "is Burghardt amateur radio, they have one its $425…""
> 25 more than this guy but it is Burghardt radio, and there fore the
> extra 25 might be worth it…Up to you…I can call em and order it or
> you can do it on the internet quite easily, just drop em a line…73
> Murray…
>
> Scott Royall wrote:
>> Any word from the other guy? This one’s a clown.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: G.T.
>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:48 AM
>> To: Scott Royall
>> Subject: At-500
>>
>>
>>
>> Good Morning Scott: The tuner does work on all the bands. It comes with
> the
>> manual and both cables needed to operate it. One cable is the ACC cable
> with
>> plugs into the back of your Icom rig and the other is a double ended
molex
>> cable used on the IC-2KL amp for automatic tracking from band to band. If
>> you think you can come up with the money somehow please let me know. I
>> really hate to sell it for anything less. The AT-500 tuners are getting
> hard
>> to find. Please let me know if your still interested. Thanks very much.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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RE: FW: At-500

Actually, this guy is asking the same $425. As I recall, the AT-500 was
around $600 new. Hams just are weird, and the recent influx of no-coders has
aggravated things. What other hobby lets you ask 75% of new price on stuff
over a decade old? The really bizarre part is that people go along with
this. Would you pay 75% for a 10-year-old car?

what worse are hams that demand "mint condition" used gear. How do you keep
stuff that’s legitimately being used in a "mint" state? That sort of
thinking just rewards "collectors" who speculate in ham gear.

I’ll check into Burghardt. At least they have a warranty, but $425 might as
well be $4,250 to me. 🙂

—–Original Message—–
From: Murray Neece [mailto:radioranch@qth.com]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:28 PM
To: Scott Royall
Subject: Re: FW: At-500

Looks like a straight ahead to me…Last one I sold brought $495. The
the other guy "is Burghardt amateur radio, they have one its $425…""
25 more than this guy but it is Burghardt radio, and there fore the
extra 25 might be worth it…Up to you…I can call em and order it or
you can do it on the internet quite easily, just drop em a line…73
Murray…

Scott Royall wrote:
> Any word from the other guy? This one’s a clown.
>
>
>
> From: G.T.
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:48 AM
> To: Scott Royall
> Subject: At-500
>
>
>
> Good Morning Scott: The tuner does work on all the bands. It comes with
the
> manual and both cables needed to operate it. One cable is the ACC cable
with
> plugs into the back of your Icom rig and the other is a double ended molex
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A Small Whoopy

I just cleared with W9ISF, a special event station in Indy
and my very first Amateur Radio contact. He had no trouble understanding me,
and gave me a 5 by 7. Not too bad for an antique vertical antenna and no amplifier.
Yes, the radio and laptop worked together rather disgustingly well.  By sheer
chance, the VOX circuit came already set up so that my Xpress-It voice is one
of very few sounds strong enough to key up the radio.

 

Richard B., I guess this gives Dell another little achievement
to brag on. Other computers may have transmitted before, but mine has to be the
first to talk over shortwave.

 

Oh, and Mom, I dare you to spot this antenna from the street.
J I’ll even tell you where to
look. Even I can’t see it.

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RE: Laptop FUD

Re: Laptop FUD

Yes, you’d be spot on if it wasn’t for the M1330’s
big, honking 200 GB HD. Damn, Dell does not make my job simple!
J

 

From:
Richard_Bernier@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Bernier@Dell.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:40 PM
To: royall@conchbbs.com
Subject: RE: Laptop FUD

 

Mr. Royall,

 

To answer your question, yes the M1710 does use a D-series power
supply.

 

I say this for the 1420, it sounds like it really meets all
your needs.  I guess you could flip a coin, but I bet you would still go
with the 1420 even if the M1330 won the toss.

 

Let me know if there is any other questons that will help you make
up your mind as to which system is best for you.

 

Best regards,

Richard B

Dell Online Community Outreach

 


From: Scott Royall [mailto:royall@conchbbs.com]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:59 PM
To: Bernier, Richard
Cc: lrlind@lindelectronics.com
Subject: RE: Laptop FUD

Sooo, after all our chatter, it comes down to a simple question:
Does the M1710 use a D-series?

 

Even so, it looks like the 1420 will win against the M1330,
because, as PC Mag points out, it can have the same hardware for much less.
That, more USB ports, a flatter bottom, a physical layout closer to the big
brother, and a titanium body. Still, 90 watts and 13” is awfully sexy.
J

 

From:
Richard_Bernier@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Bernier@Dell.com]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:53 AM
To: royall@conchbbs.com; lrlind@lindelectronics.com
Subject: RE: Laptop FUD

 

Hello,

 

This is just a refresher to the M1330 power adapter
specifications.  It is supposed to have its own proprietary power supply
that will not work in other Dell portables.  However, other D-series power
supplies will work in the M1330.  So, the jack should not be an issue.

 

Regards,

Richard Bernier
Online Community Outreach Liaison
Dell Inc.
Dell always strives to improve!  Please send feedback to my
manager
Joanne_Hamann@dell.com

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From: Scott Royall
[mailto:royall@conchbbs.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 6:44 PM
To: ‘Terry Neville’; Bernier, Richard
Cc: george.bullock@MICROSOFT.COM
Subject: RE: Laptop FUD

 

Well, 90 watts do beat 130; the Dell engineers had a problem at
first understanding that electricity is drawn, not pushed. Still, I have
to get a clear answer from Dell on whether or not my power adapter will fit
that bizarre jack. 

 

From: Terry Neville
[mailto:lrlind@lindelectronics.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:01 PM
To: Scott Royall; Richard_Bernier@Dell.com
Cc: george.bullock@MICROSOFT.COM
Subject: Re: Laptop FUD

 

Evidently the power info provided me was
incorrect. I down loaded the manual which also claims the M1330 will power on
90 Watts. That said, the good news is that your existing 120 Watt will then
work. 120 Watts is a maximum power output with voltage staying constant, the
current drawn will be what the laptop demands.

Thanks,  T. Neville

On 8/16/07 4:17 PM, "Scott Royall" <royall@conchbbs.com> wrote:

Richard, you’re more
like me than you know! I use a different program, I8KFanUI, by another German,
Christian Diefer. There’s nothing wrong with NHC, it just didn’t go
far enough for my needs back when my Gen2 developed its mysterious inability to
keep its cool. As the name implies, I8KFanUI started in the days of the
Inspiron 8000, and is Dell-specific. Right now, I just have it monitoring, and
I can rattle off temps and loads for all subsystems in this M1710.
J NHC
is nice, but its functionality is  now available in  Vista. Using
Vista Power Plans, you can have a laptop time out, turn off peripherals, and
slow the CPU to a duck’s waddle. Still, as Paul Thurrott recently
lamented in his Windows Weekly podcast, there is still no way to automatically
switch power plans based on an ACPI event such as closing the bloody lid! If I
don’t write said ditty, someone will. That’s why I added George to
our conversation. He may know of source code that would give me a good start.
 
Mr. Neville was off on a few things. My M1710 is last year’s version with
a 7900GS. It definitely demands 130 watts, and gets very crabby without it.
Like you, I have real trouble imagining what a 13” laptop would do with
150! That would be a huge amount of heat in a 13” form-factor. Maybe Dell
really did send Lind bum info. If yours is good, 90w makes much more sense, and
would put the M1330 back in a dead-heat with the 1420 if we can figure
out that damn power plug!
 

From:
Richard_Bernier@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Bernier@Dell.com]

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:43 PM
To: royall@conchbbs.com
Subject:

Mr. Scott,
 
Let me first respond about the 150W power supply. There is no 150W power supply
for the M1330; it uses a 65W or 90W power adapter. Make reference to the online
order options for verification, http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DYCWTP1&s=dhs&sm=2
<http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&amp;cs=19&amp;l=en&amp;oc=DYCWTP1&amp;s=dhs&amp;sm=2>
. Also, I have checked all of our internal documentation which verifies this.
 
I am unsure as to where Mr. Neville obtained information stating that the M1330
uses 150W power supply. However, if it was true, where is all the power going?
If the M1710 has a bigger LCD (power hog), more powerful graphics card (power
hog), then how is that it only needs 120W power supply? Anyway, maybe our
engineer sent the incorrect tech sheet to Lind.
 
There is one more thing I wanted to share with you. What I am going to tell you
is not supported by Dell, nor promote by Dell. However, I just want to make you
aware of a third-party software you may like. It is called Notebook Hardware
Control and I use it on my Dell D620. I also know someone that uses it on a
Dell 1705E. Basically it allows you to customize the power settings. I use it
to prolog battery life and to make the system run cooler. I have not had any
issue with it, but as a Dell representative I have to say “Use at you own
risk!” Let me know if you have any other questions.
Best regards,

Richard Bernier
Online Community Outreach Liaison
Dell Inc.

Dell always strives to improve!  Please send feedback to my
manager Joanne_Hamann@dell.com
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